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 Post subject: Hi-Point mentioned as home defense carbine
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:00 am 
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Noticed this interesting article mentioning the Hi-Point carbine for home defense http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/15/6-home-defense-carbines-5-are-not-ars/

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:33 am 
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nothing we didnt already KNOW!!! 10 rapid fire shots of remington golden sabres should do the trick!


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Its good to see more and more people accepting the Hi Point as a legitimate firearm for home and self defense.

Us old timers are used to the many "Its a POS because its a Hi Point" comments that were the norm not all of that long ago at gun ranges and on the net.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:34 am 
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Good morning gents! First time poster here. Long time Hi-point lover :)

I have one nit-pick with this article. He gives the M1 .30 Carbine a better rating(his word choice eludes to as much) than the Hi-point due to it's higher velocity and energy. While, the numbers surely do add to the effectiveness of the firearm, this is HD we're talking about. I've got neighbors all around me. I don't wanna be forced to pull the trigger and put a bullet through my wall, my kid, my neighbors wall, his neighbors wall, and their neighbors... You get my drift. This is something I've always shaken my head at. People mistake muzzle velocity and ft/lb energy alone for stopping power. Just get the darn rounds on target!

Sorry for the rant :)

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DavieJones wrote:
Good morning gents! First time poster here. Long time Hi-point lover :)

I have one nit-pick with this article. He gives the M1 .30 Carbine a better rating(his word choice eludes to as much) than the Hi-point due to it's higher velocity and energy.


Not to disagree with you, or him...but many people ( not me) consider the .30 carbine to be nearly useless, since there are stories of cold weather gear stopping the bullets from killing Koreans and Chinese in the '50's. Somewhere between the numbers and the stories is the truth. :thumb:


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I've got neighbors all around me. I don't wanna be forced to pull the trigger and put a bullet through my wall, my kid, my neighbors wall, his neighbors wall, and their neighbors... You get my drift.


Some of us don't have that problem, we live in "houses". ;) So what you need is "apartment defense" ammo, not "home defense" ammo! :whistle:

And yes, that's a joke, I understand the issue, but it always amazes me that people (not you, you are doing a good job of not being one of "those guys" :mrgreen: ) want to inflict their own specific circumstances on any discussion, as if the other guys issues aren't just as real, and just as relevant.

And the fact is...if it won't penetrate a wall, it won't penetrate a BG either. So we may as well accept that if we shoot, we better be right about it.

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Just get the darn rounds on target!


Exactly, my answer as well. :thumb:

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 Post subject: Re: Hi-Point mentioned as home defense carbine
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Yes the old guys lived in shameful hiding.
Ha.
No the carbine is. It just is..
Surprises me everytime it goes bang.
Not that it goes bang.
Just that. Mine old. Abused a few times
However 75yrds or closer.
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ampersand wrote:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I've been wondering what I could use as an alternative to a tub full of ballistics gelatin to figure what ammo I want leapin out my barrels.


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Not to disagree with you, or him...but many people ( not me) consider the .30 carbine to be nearly useless, since there are stories of cold weather gear stopping the bullets from killing Koreans and Chinese in the '50's. Somewhere between the numbers and the stories is the truth. :thumb:


I have heard the same about the .30 cal. My point was that he hails it as a better HD round based solely on its higher numbers when the reality is, we all know better(meaning the HPT members that aren't star struck by big name brands that claim better bangs for the trigger pull :mdr: ). More velocity and greater ft/lb energy does not always equal a better HD round because it all boils down to your specific scenario.

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Some of us don't have that problem, we live in "houses". ;) So what you need is "apartment defense" ammo, not "home defense" ammo! :whistle:

And yes, that's a joke...
:good one:

After religiously lurking the day of and after my new purchase, I caught wind of the light hearted comments that fly like brass around here. I'll take that as your way of saying welcome to the family :doublegun:

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And the fact is...if it won't penetrate a wall, it won't penetrate a BG either. So we may as well accept that if we shoot, we better be right about it.


Amen brother. Hence the comment I made about my bullets going thru the BG, wall, face, leg, lamp, and pup of everyone around me. I do live in a house btw, it's just not a whole lot of side yard space between dwellings. The back yard is great, but I think it's hogging the plot...

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I prefer mine over a hefty 12 gauge. And no pump action involved just pull that trigger.

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Welcome Mr. Jones! Howdy from Arizona!

Hello yourself ISP! Pleasure to read your writing :P How's the season down in your parts? I haven't been to AZ since 03'! I miss that place.


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I prefer mine over a hefty 12 gauge. And no pump action involved just pull that trigger.

I can understand that logic. IMHO, when it comes to HD, I want something that requires as little effort on my part to go bang. Lord willing, I'll never find myself in a true life/death scenario, but I wouldn't want to feel helpless for those precious seconds it will take to rack, pump, or reload w/e I'm toting. Only time will tell I suppose. In the mean time, I'll continue to stalk around my house clearing corners and figuring angles(with a triple checked empty firearm of course :whistle: ).

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I bought my 995 primarily as an HD but found that I shot it a bunch just because it's fun and easy on the shoulder (and ammo budget). Still, it's behind my HD shot/riot gun as a primary weapon. First off, if it takes you that long to rack the slide, you need to get some practice in. I keep the thing chambered with the safety on. Second, my Remington 870 is a 6 +1 with 3 more on the stock. In an HD situation if you need more rounds than that you're either seriously outnumbered or an extremely bad shot. Third, over-penetration isn't that much of an issue (hard plaster walls, brick exterior, brick exteriors on neighboring houses), even with a hollowpoint 9mm, but why force the issue? Normally it's just me and Most Esteemed Redhead in the house, but if we would happen to have guests, I don't have to think twice about what to grab.



Amen.

It doesn't take me long to rack the slide, that was simply an arguing point.

To clarify, I am not able to leave my firearm cocked and locked. There are a few pairs of prying hands and eyes here, so I am forced to keep the firearm cased and hidden and keep the mags stashed away. But, as the saying goes, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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"Never give up your guns... Gun control is about power and total power over the people."- Stanislav Mishin(disarmed Russian journalist)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/01/Disarmed-Russian-Columnist-Warns-Americans-Never-Give-Up-Your-Guns

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It's killed many a skunk and other assorted nasties, and it's protected the chicken house once or twice.
I don't worry about my rounds going through and bouncing around to hit a horse or one of the neighbor's cows.
Sometimes i just grab a shotgun, but they can be so messy

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