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Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine
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Author:  Dennis G [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Hi everyone .. New poster .. just got a new 995TS carbine and had it to the range today. I roll my own 9mm and tried 3 different typical hand gun loads and powders. Shot over 100 rounds without a single hiccup. All the bullets were 115gr FMJRN and I found the gun was most accurate with 4.2gns of Titegroup powder and an AOL of 1.11 inches. going to try some 124gn FMJRN bullets this weekend. Distance was 50yds off sandbags with the forward grip folded. The gun has a compensator and Aim 4x32 scope. Best I could manage was 4" groups which I don't consider to be that good. Perhaps the heavier bullets will tighten up the group a little. Does anyone have any favorite loads they use? I see on the net some 995 owners are shooting slower rifle powders such as Blue Dot and are claiming much improved accuracy over the hand gun loads. It might make sense as our barrels are 3 or 4 times longer than most pistols. I did notice that the casings were very sooty when the came out. Is this normal?

Any information and experiences you wish to share on getting the most accuracy from this gun will be appreciated.

Author:  srtolly [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:41 am ]
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I use titegroup for 9mm pistol rounds too with a 124gr plated HP. Titegroup, I would think, is too fast for a carbine. Lyman's 49th has some carbine load data you can check out. Something like Unique might make a good all around load. I've heard AA#5 or #7 works well in carbine loads. I don't have a 995 yet so I can't get too specific for you.

Welcome to the forum, I'm sure Ex will be along and can help more than I can.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:29 pm ]
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srtolly wrote:
I use titegroup for 9mm pistol rounds too with a 124gr plated HP. Titegroup, I would think, is too fast for a carbine. Lyman's 49th has some carbine load data you can check out. Something like Unique might make a good all around load. I've heard AA#5 or #7 works well in carbine loads. I don't have a 995 yet so I can't get too specific for you.

Welcome to the forum, I'm sure Ex will be along and can help more than I can.


Purdy much said it like it is there Tolly!

Unique, W231, SR4756 and some others would likely give you much better performane than TiteGroup. LongShot is my fav, but can't find any.

TiteGroup is a relativly fast burning pistol powder. Many reloaders have discovered that shotgun powders give you much better results, particullarly with heavier bullets and longer barrels. All the ones I listed above were designed for shottys but have been found to be simply wonderful in the pistol as well!

Author:  Dennis G [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Thanks for the info ... I'll whip up some 124 gn FMJRN with Unique tonight. I'm thinking 4.9 gn with an OAL of 1.125. Give them a try Friday and post the results.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Glad you have Unique. It will definitely give you better velocity in a long barrel and may help accuracy. Curious to know ;), and looking forward to your results!

Consider, 4.9 gns is under the recommended minimum for 124 gn 9mm. Max is 5.8... minus 10% is 5.22 gns. I'd call that your starting point and work up from there.

Author:  Dennis G [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Thanks for the info .. did 10 4.9 and 10 5.2. Will see how they work Sat hopefully.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Additional... your load data for the first post said 4.2 gns TiteGroup under a 115 gn bullet. This comes close to the manufacturers max recommends. One would think that a high pressure load like that would have no problem sealing the
brass. The recommended OAL for this round is also short at 1.11 while the makers suggest 1.10 as minimum.

You also mentioned using FMJRN... not plated?

With the sooty brass you state, it's surprising as TG powder normally burns pretty clean and as a fast powder, it usually develops enough pressure to seal without problem. Can you post a photo of the sooty brass you were left with? (Photos need to go someplace like photobucket or such as HPT does not host it's own photos.)

Slower powders are much more common to sooting. Unique may display this issue as well. I'd really like to see both brass from the two different powders.

Unique is not known to be a clean powder, but VERY versatile. And, usually the dirt from Unique is in the barrel, breach, etc...

Interesting set of tests you will be going through. Please keep us updated with all the details and photos you can provide! ;)

Author:  Dennis G [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Saturday morning went to King of Prussia , Pa with a friend to look at a gun he was interested in. While there, I saw an 8lb. jug of WSF Super Field and jumped all over it as suitable hand gun powder is very scarce here. They also hard cast bullets and gave me 10 sample 147gn lead flat points.

I intend to load the 147gn FP lead bullets with 3.9gn of WSF at 1.140 oal and 10 of my Hornady 124gr FMJRN with 4.8gn of WSF at 1.13 oal. On my next trip to the range I'll have 3 sets of 10 bullets, all different loads to test. I did shoot some 124gr FMJRD using 3.9gn of Unique 1.12 oal and found them to much more accurate at 50yds out of my 995TS than 115gr with Titegroup. I was pumping them into 3" bull off sandbags with no problems. Unique is slower than Titegroup and I understand that WSF is a little slower yet. Will be interesting to see what happens. The 995TS really seems to like the longer bullets and slower powders better, but I'll know more after my next trip. Have to save up for a chrono so I can get some solid data. Another area of interest is the correct COAL for best accuracy. I know the big boys take critical measurements as the bullet should be very close to the rifling, but not touching. Need to gather more info about this subject.

I hope these posts are making some of you more interested in trying the reloading phase of the sport. I have found it very rewarding and recommend giving it a shot.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Dennis G wrote:
I have found it very rewarding and recommend giving it a shot.


;)

I think it's great you are developing loads in small batches. Record your data
and use it to your advantage in the future as it relates to your weapon!!!

But please, share the results with us!!! :great: :great: :great:

Author:  kevinL [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

This carbine is fun to shoot and I shoot it A L O T and pretty accurate at 100.

Author:  waltham41 [ Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

kevinL wrote:
This carbine is fun to shoot and I shoot it A L O T and pretty accurate at 100.


welcome to the forum kevinL :welcome:

Author:  ToeTagger [ Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Well I loaded some for the 995 before I read this thread using Titegroup...I'm gonna try it at the range tomorrow and I'll let you know.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Accuracy from my new 995TS Carbine

Please do! Anxious to hear you results!!!

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